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B6DR
Great
Pyrenees LGDs
The
"Black" GREAT PYRENEES
" Guardian Angels of The Ranch"
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It
always amazes that there are many who ridicule the Black Great
Pyrenees and ones who fancy they do not exist; and will vocalize and
downgrade without even inquiring of the one who OWNS the animals.
They try to deride them saying they are part newfie or part Border
collie or some other "mutt" cross. People say that a
true pyr could not have black, but we are here to stand and share it
does happen; and not hide it.
First
off this is an excerpt that was shared with me about The Great Pyrenees with the
Black, many years ago,
it is more than the Badger,
or blaireau, or apricot, the mixture of brown, black, gray, apricot and white, is
necessary to maintain the size and strength of this truly beautiful
dog. Included in this is also postcards and a few pictures that
have been shared with us over the years showing the amount and color
in old world Great Pyrenees.
Passage
taken From “THE WORLD ENCYCLOPEDIA OF DOGS”
Edited by Ferelith Hamilton and Mr. Arthur F Jones.
Color:
The assumption that the pure bred Pyrenean must be white is
erroneous. The permitted colors are all-white or mainly white with
markings of badger, gray or varying shades of tan, mainly on the
head, or at the root of the tail. Badger, or blaireau, as it is
called, is an admixture of brown, black, gray and white hairs and is
common in puppies, but generally fades on maturity. Patches of pure
black are not admitted in the show ring, although black and white
dogs sometimes appear in correctly color-bred litters. The desired
jet black nose, lips and eye rims still cannot be maintained in
successive generations of all-white dogs without breeding back to
the colored mountain type. It is noticeable that not only pigment
but increased size and vigor become apparent when color is
introduced into the all-white strain, and in spite of the lack of
scientific support for the fact, all-white breeding tends to produce
progressively smaller Pyreneans.
Standards:
The first Pyrenean Standard to be generally
accepted was laid down by the Reunion
des Amateurs de Chiens Pyreneens, shortly after the First World War.
When breeding began in America in the early 1930's, the French Standard was translated and accepted
as it stood, but in 1935 it was replaced by a new one which
contained a significant number of omissions and alterations, one of
which, to the detriment of the breed, lowered the minimum height by
2 cms. Another alteration included the head, with the shorter muzzle
favored in England and America, but which is not acceptable in
France, where the longer foreface is considered correct. It was the
American Standard which, a few years later, was adopted in its
entirety by the Pyrenean Mountain Dog Club of Great Britain,
apparently without further reference to the original French
translation. Essentially, however, all the Standards call for a dog
of great size (27" to 32" for dogs, 25" to 29"
for bitches), strongly built, but with a certain elegance and a
kindly disposition. He should have a thick double coat, with a fine
white undercoat and a long, flat outer coat of a coarser hair. Black
on nose and eye rims and an unbroken black mouth line are also
necessary. In the all-white dog good pigment would ideally be linked
with black pads, nails and palate. Double dew-claws on the hind legs
are a distinguishing feature, and their removal constitutes
disqualification in the show ring.
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I
know it is considered by some as not acceptable and something to be
“ashamed”. We’ve been told of those that will put the puppies
born with black down at whelping so as to not admit they were born;
or even the stud or bitch that produced them, destroyed. These are sad tales
that are shared with us. Sadly, goat or dog,
cat or sheep, if it doesn’t conform to what has become the
accepted "standard"; hide what
you get, do not admit it, or you will be blackballed by one society
or another. It was through a prejudiced mindset such as this against the
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Pyrenees that they were almost wiped out; we
have seen this in other animals, such as with the true
Colored Angora. The color in the Angora was not accepted, so
anything with color that was born in the angora, as anything with black born in a
litter of pyrs, was put down at birth so as not to upset the
"standard". But now, there are people getting COLOR from
white to white
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ones that carried color and realized the necessity of the color. Selective breeding is
bringing the color
back in the Angora; and it is now not so unaccepted and color is even
desired; so people are not hiding it anymore. But, the moral,
the pure true colored angoras were almost wiped out; due to not
conforming to a standard but for a few who refused to bow to it, a refusal to give to a prejudiced mindset,
and it is making a comeback. The
same can be true of the Beautiful Regal Black Great Pyrenees if
people open their minds and don't spew the hatred.
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Pyrenees, as you should know it is a French dog, aka Pyrenean
Mountain Dog or Chien de Montagne des Pyrénées and
in the 80’s, we had imported Great Pyrenees from an old
and established kennel. As time went on the lady passed that
owned the kennel. During the time of our relationship she
imparted valued information onto us that would continue to
enhance and make us strive to learn and know more of this
regal animal. It was from the wonderful woman who bred our
two original girls and who showed her dogs and worked her
dogs around the world that we learned our basics of Great
Pyrenees and their original breed temperament and type.
It is also from her that we learned why we would later
choose to not purchase AKC dogs for Our Endeavor. Our
current Great Pyrenees are, yes, not of AKC registry origins
by our choice; we choose now to not place AKC Pyrenees
within our lines, as there are things we learned about AKC
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good strong working stock. Our first two represented
the Original Ideal of both American and French Great
Pyrenees. From this we learned what to look for and what we
were later to breed for. This is a French imported dog, so
our decision was to stick to the French original old world
style of Dog.
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People
without even inquiring or looking for information, will try
to discount our Great Pyrenees, due to having the black and
French style, by saying things like “those are NOT
Purebred Great Pyrenees..... Their heads are clearly not
Great Pyrenees heads.....They are.... Definitely mixed with
something..." We KNOW breed character, we choose
to not breed “AMERICAN” but “FRENCH” character. We
WILL NOT breed for American head or build. AKC – The
AMERICAN Kennel Club also prefers the AMERICANIZED head and
build. We do not, we prefer the French head and style.
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thing with the Great Pyrenees, is that it is the driest
mouth (or was) of the large breeds. The French Head is
tighter lipped, more refined, think of a French Poodle, not
that extreme, but you get the point. You will hear people
say they like the dryer mouthed Great Pyrenees, what even
they don't realize is they are referring to the French
style. You can find picture after picture of old French
Pyrenees, of the old true style that have the head and build
we breed for. People try to say that our dogs do not fit the
“American” standard to justify the black is not true
Great Pyrenees. Plain and simply the Great Pyrenees is not
an American breed, it is a French Breed with certain old
breed characteristics!
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A little history lesson, Livestock guardian dogs (LGDs) come
from a long line of ancient dog breeds that originated in
various regions around the world and were developed over
millennia to protect livestock from predators, and their
ancestry is linked to the historic migration of livestock
and herding communities. Evidence suggests that LGDs in
regions like East Asia and the rest of Eurasia evolved along
two independent lineages for millennia, as humans in
separate regions developed dogs to protect livestock
however, All LGD breeds can be traced back to these ancient
dogs, and yes, each region concentrated on certain things
for the breeds that
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guardian dogs (LGDs) did not descend from a single, specific
breed; rather, they are a functional group with multiple
ancient ancestries tracing back to distinct Eurasian ancient
dogs of various colors and styles. The Ancestors to the
Great Pyrenees and Pyrenean Mastiff likely migrated with
shepherds around 3,000 BC, eventually evolving in the
Pyrenees Mountains of France and Spain. Studies have shown
that there is a shared ancestry and gene flow among modern
LGD breeds, the black in the Great Pyrenees even though the
attempt was made for it to bred out in them, is in the
ancestry as you can see in the shared ancestry of the Great
Pyrenees and the Spanish Pyrenean Mastiff, as both are said
to have descended from ancient
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Pyrenees Mountains. They are closely related breeds that
evolved in different regions of the Pyrenees Mountains, with
the Pyrenean Mastiff developing in Spain and the Great
Pyrenees in France as Both breeds trace their lineage back
to large Asiatic Molosser dogs brought to Spain by
Phoenicians around 3,000 years ago.
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Recently
I was made aware of a genome study for the PM (Pyrenean
Mastiff) and the GP (Great Pyrenees) that backs these
points, the study spoke about the similarities between their
breed, the PM and the Great Pyrenees. This was a
presentation that was sent to the first Pyrenean Mastiff USA
club and showed the results of their DNA testing of the
Pyrenean Mastiff and Great Pyrenees. What it showed was like
the GP the PM is not really a "Mastiff” it is a large
mountain dog breed and that they share common ancestry with
very ancient breeds. It showed a relationship to the
development of Leonberger and the Saint Bernard by the Great
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interesting, is the Pyrenean Mastiff used to have all white
dogs in the breed but when the standard was developed they
decided to disqualify it, they decided to concentrate
away from white, so you now don’t see the white, but it
can pop out in the PM, just as the black can pop out in the
GP. Just because the color, white with the PM or black with
the GP was removed from the “acceptable” show breeding
populations, doesn’t mean it doesn’t show up in the
working populations as it is/can be there.
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Have
we seen registered black great pyrs? Yes! With Pedigrees?
YES! Have we also been told of those who hide and
destroy the offspring of such dogs? Sadly, yes to that also.
There are those that say, "IF IT IS there, we would
have seen it!" No, not with the stigma attached to it,
the hate that the black and white dogs bring out in people;
people see that, and withdraw in fear; hiding what they
have. This is not the first animal this has happened with,
nor will it be the last. Different, scares people, and they
react emotionally, in anger and fear....it can be emotional
to deal with, but we made the decision not to hide them, so
until people open their minds and eyes, and stop the
judgmental demeanors, we will be here for those who wish to
share but are too afraid to openly.
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Our
lines we have been working with for the past decades years. We have bred the black in ADDITION to the white,
brown badger and wolf greys; we do not hide what they are. First and foremost
is working ability, structure, soundness, longevity, but we have been blessed
to have the color also. We don't hide it, or pretend to be ashamed of it. If you wish to see
pictures of a few different styles of the pyr, type in Pyrenean Mountain Dog
in an image search engine. You will see from the very refined head to the
“American” blocky head. America calls them Great Pyrenees, but in other
countries they are still referred to as Pyrenean Mountain Dogs or Montagne des
Pyrénées which is Great Pyrenees in French, do a search and
translate the page on search engines around the world. On just a simple search we found sites where they
are showing off their Pyrs; their Patous, Grand pyrénéens, Pyrenean Mountain
Dogs that are from white to Badger,
or blaireau, or apricot to, yes even the
black and white. A compilation of Postcards from the early 1900's can be
found here on You tube.
Watch to see just some of the beautiful color and style of the true Great
Pyrenees of old.
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So to summarize, If you do honest research on the LGD breeds, you will find
the information on how breeds were created in a strains of mountains, deserts and valleys, that were traveled
by Nomads and Gypsies. As they traveled, many locals bred their dogs to the
dogs of the nomads, and most LGD breeds have a common ancestry from these
dogs; but,
depending on what area across the continent, what they needed the LGD breed to
do, what kind of predator they had, the typical 4 legged predator or 2 legged
predator, the wolf or bear, the coyote or bird of prey; or man. They would
breed for those characteristics, for the climate, short, long or dual coat, to
even the color or size
preference. With the development of the LGD; as the breed was developing, look
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Pyrenees came from. The Great Pyrenees mountains,
between France, and Spain. On one side they created the Pyrenean Mountain Dog on
the other the the Pyrenean mastiff; similar ancestry to the dogs, the only
thing separating the people that developed the Great Pyrenees or Pyrenean
Mountain
Dog and the Pyrenean Mastiff, the crest of a mountain range that the nomads
passed over. These are the lines the Pyrenean Mountain Dog comes from, to
say that black is in no way shape or form part of the breed, takes all it’s
history out of the equation. Look at the just the Leonberger,
the Pyrenean
mastiff, or find other breeds who came form the same region as the Great
Pyrenees. You will see the color is there in the lines from those regions;
so it is not out of
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thought that it IS truly part of the Pyrenean Mountain
Dog. Selective breeding can enhance the color, as selective breeding
has sought to breed out the black and white it out.
The Black
and White Great Pyrenees is a site to behold and we are privileged to
have it as part of my breeding program.
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